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Alice and Hatter by Alessa-DW Alice and Hatter by Alessa-DW
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ZeldAlice Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Steam and Alice and Hatter! Love it! :heart: Hatter here also reminds me of him and how he was in the first and original AMAlice game where he turned against Alice. I also felt suspisious about Hatter in AMR too even tough he's assisting Alice in the first chapter. :)
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zhugebeifong Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Still couldn't believe we fight Hatter in the first game, but in the second, he demises tragically.
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ZeldAlice Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Even as I first played AMR, I watched AMA speedruns to keep track of AMAlie's story, and as it was unbelievable and shocking to fight Hatter and kill him, I was even more unbelievable and shocking plus very mind-turning to learn and know about how Hatter, especially as he's supposed to be her friend, deceive, betray and go against Alice plus stomping Rabbit to DEATH. So cold bloody murdering that poor creature who is a dear friend of Alice. As Hatter indeed demises tragically in the second game, he at least means nor is any harm or danger to Alice as he is in the first game. But even in the second game, you can't fully trust him, I feel. 
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zhugebeifong Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm... So, Hatter in some ways did deserve to die, right?
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ZeldAlice Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, unfortunately he did deserve it, he was the one choosing that path from the start. Even tough when the Red Queen of Hearts took all the power and ruled over wonderland and both darkened and corrupted it, forcing many by force to follow here including the Hatter, he is still not to fully trust in Madness Returns. But you can also say that the Red Queen of Hearts really made a real mess and wreckage in his head!
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zhugebeifong Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
In American McGee's Alice, Hatter was corrupted by the Queen. After taking him apart, and leaving him in pieces, we come back about a year later and it turns out his ways don't change. So yeah, I think I agree with you that Hatter deserved to die. What about Carpenter and the Walrus?
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ZeldAlice Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist

Indeed, it seems (according to Alice herself) that Hatter received a serious reprimand by the Queen and thus he then became completely corrupted and turned around by her, just as the whole Wonderland in the first game. However, Alice herself remembered even that she did not leave him in pieces, when she fought and defeated him in the first game! But then things had turned the tables completely for Hatter, as a new law ruled Wonderland and also reigned by a new enemy. And that same enemy was the one who got March Hare and Dormouse/Dormy both become so blind plus go against Hatter, dividing him to pieces, pieces they even used as they actually were the ones who build the Infernal Train. But about that year you speak of, do you mean that it has been a year since Alice got out of the asylum in the first game and that AMR takes place one year after? Or do you mean that all those events in AMR took a year until the final battles and showdown at on the Infernal Train, when meeting Hatter again?

Other, at the end of AMR on the Infernal Train when meeting Hatter, even after he was reconstructed back at the end of chapter 1 in AMR, we do notice and get that hint that Hatter ways hasn't changed indeed. Sure, he's perhaps not the same danger and threat who possesses the same power and authority as he did in the first game, but he still cannot be trusted nor relied on the slightest. He never really helped Alice, and at the train he explains his excuses for not helping her. He says that he can't forgive her for she forgetting what her actual senses witnessed Bumby actually doing to all the children in the Orphanage. Could he even be angry and unforgiving of Alice already from the start when she mistook Bumby for a Centaur back when the tragic event with the fire and the death of her family happened? If so, the he's just being both stupid and cold in my opinion. Did he really expect Alice to be and act in clear senses after the trauma she was through that night when loosing her family? She was also just a child back then! And even If Hatter only meant what happened at the orphanage with Bumby, it is still ridiculous of him accusing Alice like that. After 10 years in pure hell in a dark, painful asylum of a torture house... even when healing herself and gets released from the asylum she still was very depressed and suffered from hallucinations. And on top of that Bumby's hypnotizing her and the other inmates at that orphanage proved to have caused quite the confusion and mess in Alices and the children's heads, even tough Alice still was strong and held on to Wonderland more or less through that dazing process of Bumby's. In my opinion, Hatter can't accuse Alice for not being aware after all hell she's been through, all thanks to that murderer'n'pedo-perv Bumby! This also makes me wonder If this could also be a ridiculous reason of Hatter's to betray Alice and let himself become corrupted and reprimanded by the Queen? And then go the way of a crazy doctor doing brain surgeries and experiments on the poor insane children, who became inmates in his own asylum which he controlled, in the first game... Hatter was also the one stomping Rabbit to death in the first game...

This all is also pretty shocking considering as Hatter was said to be the more jolly and wacky type who loved hosting all his tea-parties with lots of fun. Well, the Queen must indeed have messed up his head quite badly, for sure. One can wonder what she actually did to him to make him become so cold, corrupted and messed-up. But then again, when thinking about what Hatter and his allies did to the insane children when lobotomizing them and doing those brain surgeries and experiments on them etc, plus when thinking about the Queens dark and forceful powers alongside with those damn creepy tentacles of hers, I'd rather not think further about that...  

But when it comes to Carpenter and Walruss, Walruss was clearly wicked and greedy, a perfect example of gluttony, from how I see it. Carpenter is harder tough, he did give Alice some useful advice in the end of chapter 2 in AMR. But at the same time I can't say that Carpenter did not deserve death since he also (for some unknown reasons) massacred the fish-citizens alongside with their Mayor. My guess is that the reason is because those citizens alongside with the Mayor probably went against Carpenter because they got to know the truth about him and Walruss, and how Walruss feeds on their shows performers etc. Carpenter also seems to represent those foul culprits who buys prostitutes/strippers to be performers for their strip shows and gaffs, as Alice herself and all those children in real-life in London are actually planned to become real prostitutes for such filthy customers to buy and such. I believe Wonderland in AMR is trying to show Alice what is actually happening to her and all in the real world, and thus this is how Alice is realizing and trying to overcome unconsciously, while she is actually consciously adventuring Wonderland in search for truth and answers.   

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zhugebeifong Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Long discussion... But I agree with you on all of it. Carpenter seemed to of guided Alice in a right direction about the train, but Caterpillar seemed to be the one who knew more.
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Alessa-DW Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks a lot!:D I can't imagine a good Hatter, Hatter McGee goodie? He helped Alice??. .   Apparently, Alice did not kill (or destroy) him for good and all in the first part of the game:) Otherwise how could he be alive in the second game?
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ZeldAlice Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

You're very welcome! :D :)

I both can and cannot imagine a good Hatter. Tim Burtons Hatter I find fits very much to be good, other when it comes to Hatter overall, especially AMAlice Hatter, I personally actually preferred him bad even tough I at the same time was disappointed and furious on him when he killed rabbit and went against Alice in the first game, deceiving her. Especially when he tried to help her at first in the intro of the first game with the fire, trying to wake her up and warn her of the fire. But at the same time, he grew on me like that and I think I really do like him being no good. That's why I was surprised when he wanted you to help him in AMR and then helping you, even tough he at the same time cannot be trusted. But also, in AMR, he also seemed not so helpful and untrusty, almost like you don't know If he wants to help you or not by how he acts and behaves. Of course he helped If it meant saving his own domain, but when it came to assisting Alice with the train, then he seemed like he didn't care at all. And at the ending of AMR while on the train, he's accusing Alice of something I kind of still don't understand. Was he accusing her of being too blind of Bumby's true intentions, plus blind to all other children being caught in his grip? Also that Alice forgot what she exactly saw when she was little and the fire striked. But If so, I'm still like: Ummm, Hatter.... She was just a child plus that she forgot and lost all of her senses cause of the trauma! Did you go against her in the first game plus is angry now just because of that?...." Well, Hatter is for sure a peculiar but very interesting character for sure!

Also in the first game, Hatter including all other Wonderland characters, is a part of her imagination which she can choose to bring back to life or not in the end, just like we can with stuff in our imagination. Even Rabbit, Gryphon, The White Queen, almost everyone, except for Jabberwock etc, was brought back to life in the end of the first game. If I remember right, Jabberwock was one fo the only villians which wasn't brought back to life in the end. Also the card guards, I believe, in the second game they're un-dead Zombies.

Lol, I could like discuss these games and AMAlice for hours! XD

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